posted by Moira on January 29, 1998 at 14:39:58:
in reply to: Some resposes to Moira's questions. posted by Jack Butler on December 29, 1997 at 11:45:02:
a response for Jack and Rob
I have been reading all of the responses and I think they are wonderful. I don't know if I can do them justice but I will sure try. I'm giving you more than questions this time and so I should!I want to talk more about the way thought is experienced and I will return to the question of illustration and metaphor. First a question: Jack, I am not sure what you meant when you said that for you, some elements of thought are of the muscular-type. Did you mean something like embodied thought? I understand and sympathize with you comments reagrding the visual component, however, and I'd like to throw some stuff out into the air about that. In a philosophy class I was in about six years ago, the professor did an informal survey of our class to find out who of us could think only in words and those who could think in images as well as words. About a third of the class claimed to be able to think only with words. My professor claimed that he could not call to mind pictures that he had seen: in fact, he was hard pressed to represent faces to himself. He wryly commented that Derrida must be of this group! Now, I am wary of such "groups", but anyway, there appear to be studies which support the claim that some people just do not think using images. I was quite surprised by all of this. I assumed at the time that everyone thought using images: a self-centred assumption for sure. But now I am less convinced of my own ability to think using images. I seem to rely so much on words these days. And yet, while dreaming, pictures convey to me deep insights about myself. A simple pictorial symbol often conveys what might otherwise take months of self-analysis. Do you think the ability to think in images can be exercized in much the same way that, with practice, our writing improves? The answer may not obviuosly be "yes" to those of us outside of the visual art worlds. As you point out Jack, our constructed hierarchies of thought, and their implicit valuations cause us to ignore, suppress, minimize visual thought. Besides making us more human - creative; sensitive to beauty, wonder, feeling and thought; open to new ideas - the embryogenesis of breath, through its intermelding of images and words enables us to make fresh new connections. It is the kind of work that might help those of us (whomever this "us" might be) with the loss of imaging in ourselves. It is a relief to me, forever inside a text as I am. Crossing disciplinary boundaries opens new connections, but it is not only about discovering new things. It is also about justification of ideas: Jack's work provides justification for believing that embryonic lungs develop in a certain way. Scientists do this also: many have very creative and emotive relations to their work and data (Barbara McClintock is a good example but there are many unknown scientists hanging about who would do just as well). Perhaps some scientists who work in this way do not feel at liberty to reveal their methods given the current restictions on what is appropriate for scientists to think about. It seems not to matter what our occupations are: people who are drawn to art, the art in life, the beauty in science, the science in beauty are sprinkled everywhere. Yet it is not in our culture to openly reveal and develop these interdisciplinary connections. And so, Jack's work gives us much to reflect upon, and examine. Now: about metaphor. I think all illustrations are metaphors. This is not to say that this is all that illustration is; just that one of the things it is is metaphor. Illustrations, intended metaphorically or not, tend to become so in the mind of the viewer. This is what I meant when I asked if the relation between illustration and identity was one of identity. I should have just come out and said that! So Jack, your interpretation of "=" was correct, although I did not mean logical identity which could never hold between metaphor and illustration, but only between metaphor and metaphor etc. The definition of metaphor I am using here, however, is so broad that it risks becoming contentless. I think of metaphor as a way in which we conceptualize. Rather than being a thing on a page, metaphor is a process of sorts. It is not necessarily based on similarity, or even on difference. The best ones bring together two conceptual schemes not formerly in contact: and wordlessly, new understanding and/or new associations are made. The metaphor is not in the words used to convey it. It is in the open-ended and indefinite concepts that arise from it. Thoughts radiate out (the metaphor a stone dropped from a height) and are the waves breaking on the arctic lake. They are breathing: air rushes in as further associations are made, and as it is pushed out we refocus on the words or picture itself trying to determine its meaning in the absence of all the connections. We cannot and so we take another breath. Perhaps "metaphor" is the best term that has been found for this thinking experience. Stolen from literature and linguistics, it means here something quite beyond its technical definition. I say this so as not to offend anyone who is working on metaphor proper. I hope I have clarified the place from which I asked these questions. I look forward to reading more responses to this site.
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